I mentioned a few weeks ago that my husband had submitted his DNA to 23andme.com, and that I was looking forward to comparing the results to those from my late father-in-law which we have from FamilyTreeDNA. I was surprised at the number of emails I received from readers letting me know that they were very much looking forward to my report. There are definitely a lot of genealogists out there interested in learning how DNA may be useful in helping them learn more about their family history!
In addition to submitting my husband's DNA to 23andme.com, I also ordered the new FamilyFinder test on my father-in-law's banked DNA at FamilyTreeDNA. Results from both companies came back in April and have been fun to start digging into! There is still more digging and comparison to come, but here is some of what I gleaned from my first look:
- To begin, my father-in-law's paternal Y-DNA haplogroup came back as R1b1b2 from FamilyTreeDNA and as R1b1b2a1 from 23andme.com. These are essentially the same. Standard results from 23andme.com go a bit further into the Haplogroup's subclades (which is where the extra "a1" came from), but I can also order this as an extra $89 "deep clade" test from FamilyTreeDNA if I so choose.
- The maternal results from the two tests are different because one is for my husband and one is for my father-in-law. While they share the same Y-DNA, they do not share the same mtDNA (they each got their mtDNA from their own mothers), so there really is no real point of comparison here.
- FamilyTreeDNA tests STR markers for its Y-DNA test, while 23andme tests SNPs. If you're specifically looking for matches from your direct paternal line (father to father to father, etc.), then FamilyTreeDNA's test offers more to work with - they have the largest DNA database for genetic genealogy, with over 5,879 surname projects based on Y-DNA results, and their 67-marker test helps you find relatives on your direct paternal line. You need to be male, or have a direct-line male relative available for testing for this test to be useful.
The results that most interest me are the new autosomal results (these come from your 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes) that allow individuals to find connections with relatives across all family lines -not just the direct paternal and maternal lines. 23andme introduced this feature last year as their "Relative Finder" while FamilyTreeDNA's comparative "Family Finder" just officially launched yesterday (it's been in beta testing for a few months). Here is where my results from the two companies get interesting...
- In 23andme's Relative Finder my husband has 86 results, with no one predicted as any closer than fourth cousin. My results at 23andme, show 150 potential relative matches, with one predicted 2nd to 3rd cousin, but the rest all at fourth or higher. I've made a number of contacts through both my account and my husband's, but neither of us yet have a single confirmed match. One reason is that Relative Finder results are private, and people can choose to respond to your request to share data or not -if they choose not to respond or decline your request, you know nothing about them - not their name, their family surnames, nothing. Since many people test with 23andme.com for their Health reports (especially their large Parkinson's Disease initiative), not all are really interested in family history or connecting with potential cousins. I have yet to hear from my predicted "3rd cousin" after a month :( There are a few cases where Iwas able to connect with a predicted cousin and we have together been able to narrow down the family or location where our connection likely is, but more research is needed to find the exact connection. I do have one RelativeFinder cousin on my Crisp line where out genealogy research does connect us back to a common ancestor!
- 23andme does have a much larger "RelativeFinder" database than FamilyTreeDNA's "FamilyFinder," both because it's been around longer, and because it is included as part of their standard one-price "Ancestry" test, while FamilyTreeDNA prices their tests individually. That being said, my father-in-law came back with only 10 FamilyFinder matches at FamilyTreeDNA (all but one of them listed as 5th-distant cousin), but one of them is a definite match back to his Powell line in Bristol (and she is even one of the "distant" cousins). Both my husband and his "cousin" are very much looking forward to exchanging information and working together to sort out their connection in early 1800s Bristol, England.
More to come. Stay tuned!
Thank you for your detailed review of these two DNA offerings. I am seriously considering this for myself and have been confused as to which one would most benefit me and the research that I am doing. You revew has taken me one step closer to choosing.
Very interesting results, look forward to reading more. You have presented some good comparisions and analysis
Nice summary. I was a Beta tester for both Relative Finder and Family Finder and am enjoying these new tools for genealogists. See my new summary at this page:
http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/Autosomal-DNA-Testing.html
Thanks for your review, Kimberly. I’m waiting for my 23andMe results to come back. My husband has also tested with FTDNA and has a 23andMe kit sitting on his desk waiting to be used. It will be interesting to compare the results from the 2 companies.
Thanks for posting that great information. I’m another of those fence sitters – to test or not to test.
Does anyone know of a company that does testing from hair samples?
My reason for asking is I have been sorting through my parents possessions and have found some envelopes with ancestors’ hair – maybe taken at first hair cuts, possibly from deceased, I don’t know.
It’s also too late for my fathers DNA to be sampled from the cheek swab but some hair is left in brushes.
Thanks,
Kirk
I also have been a beta tester for both Relative Finder (23andMe) and Family Finder (FTDNA). You are correct that as of now Relative Finder has the bigger data base. They started a few months earlier. However, that relative size may change relatively quickly. FTDNA is operating its testing lab at capacity each week and has a back log of interested individuals waiting to be tested.
FTDNA is developing tools that give the end user much more control over comparing results with potential matches. One can set the threshold for matches much lower to detect many smaller matches that may add up to more total match than a single larger matching segment. FTDNA also allows one to compare matching segments with up to three others at a time to see if more that one other person shares a match.
I think the real long term value of autosomal testing will only be achieved where multiple known family members are tested and results can then be triangulated to matches of unknown potential relatives. It’s going to take a while to sort all this out.
I’ve had my DNA done, but I forget by which company.
The results did not say I did, or did not; have any African blood. I know all my lineages for five generations and they appear “white”. I know many lines way back farther, and that appears “white” too. Via Shadrack Wooten, Shadrack Johnson of early 1800′s Pitt Co., N.C., is my great, great, great grandfather from southeastern Virginia. I do not know who his father was?
I’ve read aboard the first ship of Africans to Jamestown was one who’s passage labor indenture was purchased by a white Mr. Johnson who’s name the African took, and who’s daughter he married. When slavery soon evolved, black Mr. Johnson became a slave owner. Likely the next generations, of these Johnson married “up” rather than “down”; and in five generations could “pass for white” in southeastern Virginia?
I wonder, if my only African blood was one line over ten generations ago, could that be revealed in an otherwise “white” DNA heritage?
Since the price of these tests is apparently not mentioned, am I to assume they are free?
no, neither are free. check their respective websites for pricing.
without accusing anyone of being biased, I’d like to point out that (3) Richard is a Family Finder affiliate. He does raise a good point about contacting relatives though; I’m with 23andme and it drives me mad that some very close relatives are ignoring my requests to share.
I do appreciate that 23andme gives me privacy control, but for pure genealogy it’s a bit cumbersome, so I guess I’ll do the Family Finder test too unless there’s a way to migrate the 22and me results over ?
I have tested with Family Tree DNA and, while I like the sorts of testing it offers, my overall experience with the company has been negative. I did a ‘deep clade’ snp test with them a few years ago and it took Family Tree DNA close to 6 months to complete the test. I have also done y-dna STR testing with the company and it has generally taken much longer than the expected date to receive results (I’ve tested up to 67 markers).
Finally, I belong to a relatively rare haplogroup and the company has been very slack about updating its tree to incorporate recent discoveries and research uncovering new SNP mutations relevant to my group. Overall, I would only recommend Family Tree if one is patient and is willing to wait a few months for results. I think the company’s Family Finder test has some nice features, but it is overpriced and some of its components such as the population finder feature are based more on hype than sound scientific research.
I liked seeing the comparison between familytreedna and 23andMe, because some of my results have come in, and I am sort of confused at this point, and maybe kind of disappointed with lack of snp results.
23andMe advertised testing 1 million snp(s), so I was looking forward to good snp results, but their end result is R1b1b2a1(M405) and their is (1) entry above that R1b1b2a1*, which means unknown snp downstream of M405. M405=U106, and I have already tested R1b-U106+Z18+Z14+Z372+ and waiting on L257 results in familytreedna, and I was hoping 23andMe would show L257 snp results and other new snp(s).
Ancestry composition & family finder results are not in yet, so maybe that info will be more informative. So far I am disappointed with my results, but maybe they will get better.
Best Regards, Doug
I have done Family tree and all I can say is they are very slow, They give you a date when your test will be complete, you check on that date excited, hoping the results are in but no, all that’s there is a new date. Patiently I wait and three weeks I check and low and behold no results just a new date another three weeks later. And again no results just a new date when to expect my results. I’m really tired of it and their excuse. They’re overpriced. I checked out 23andme and they are cheaper than Familytree and maybe not so darn slow…..
One cautionary note about Family Tree DNA is to anticipate severe delays based upon my experince as I am still awaiting my test results after two delivery date changes. 23andme was super quick at approximately 3 weeks. However, I purchased their kit about a month before their $99 special. They may be positively swamped with orders now.
FTDNA stated that my mtHaplo results would be ready today but I cannot find them on their website. This seems a bit unprofessional as I paid nearly $500 for the full sequence test and therefore expect accurate status updates. At this late juncture, I feel entitled to a partial refund until they finally complete my tests as the test fees were hefty for my budget. However, their refund policy clearly states that this is not permitted.
I also take great exception to their Order Results methodology of providing three possible reasons that the results may be delayed. This general excuse may have been appropriate with the first delay but not at this prolonged delay. I may either have to re-test or may just be delayed due to busy test schedules or poor test sample. Such vaguery is not acceptable considering the cost of the tests!
Maybe the best idea is to take the 23andme test and then upload the raw-data file into Family Tree DNA for 89 dollars,
As a quick follow-up to my earlier complaint, err comment, regarding FTDNA’s testing delays, my latest expected delivery date was today and, again, no results. However, this time there was no date adjustment to my status on the company’s website. Therefore, I resorted to calling, at my expense, a number that was listed on the company’s website as for sales professionals. However, I did manage to get through to a customer service rep who determined an approximately 3-4 week additional delay.
In addition, their status section incorrectly lists my mtHaplo results as completed. However, this is one of the tests still pending and the Family Finder is actually the only completed portion.
This is very concerning that a company can take hundreds of dollars up front, take as long as they need to analyze the results, and not even be organized or efficient enough to revise delivery dates or list the correct test status for their customers. Hopefully, this does not transfer over into sloppy test analytics or record-keeping.
I’m a Croat from Herzegovina and am VERY interested in learning this. As some of you probably know, the region where my parents are from has been conquered by numerous empires and peoples. Some examples are the Illyrians, the Romans, the Turks, the Ostrogoths, the Slavs, and just so many other empires/places.
I think that it’s impossible to say in general terms that there is a dominant haplogroup in the Balkans because everyone is mixed!
I’m more interested in the haplogroup side of things, so i might choose 23andme.com.
P.S. Thanks a lot for the article!