| Researching Your Ancestor's Locality - Chat Transcript | |
With Special Guest, Michelle Chubenko
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| <Jilly> | do they list slave names...since that would be a "value" or property |
| <Jilly> | new york too??? i think |
| <swannurse> | NY has 11892, I've used it |
| <NAHostMichelle> | The Schedules for agri & manuf are by head of household only. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Yes, NYS has a state census. Last one in 1925. |
| <Jilly> | k |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Library books to check out... |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Dollarhide, William. The Census Book: A Genealogist's Guide to Federal Census Facts, Schedules and Indexes. Utah: Heritage Quest, 1999. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Lainhart, Ann Smith. State Census Records. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2000. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Thorndale, William and William Dollarhide. Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1987. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Our next topic "Land Records" is always an interesting one to complete for your ancestor. It is a basic foundation in American genealogy research. Also, it is important to study the history of land settlement and land development of the particular locality. Look for ties into the migration patterns and general history of a locality. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | What can you learn about your ancestor through their land records? |
| <swannurse> | their wealth for the time |
| <KimberlyHOST> | neighbors, family relationships, material possessions... |
| <Jilly> | have gone there yet...(don't shoot me) LOL |
| <KimberlyHOST> | maiden names |
| <KimberlyHOST> | place of origin |
| <Jilly> | as in state or town |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Yes, or sometimes even country |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Occasionally |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Kim's doing great!! Neighbors, occupation, prior residence, spouse, other family members, etc. are some examples of what can be found in a deed beyond the land itself. |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Especially with recent immigrants |
| <swannurse> | can find the family of a spouse of a child |
| <Jilly> | really have to pull a land record....was meaning to do that last week |
| <Sagehost> | what if they never owned land, just rented or were sharecroppers, are there records for these people too |
| <Jilly> | grand child had croop....no time |
| <KimberlyHOST> | I hope she is OK Jilly? |
| <Jilly> | ok for 5 days....came back last night...another night of no sleep |
| <Jilly> | lol |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Sage, actually you've provided a great segue to our next topic... "Tax Records". :-) |
| <Sagehost> | Jilly how old is grandchild |
| <Jilly> | 3 1/2 |
| <Sagehost> | Oooooh, so little. So hard on them |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Personal property lists are useful tools for genealogists to prove age and relationships. Even if they owned no land... they still might have been taxed on being over 18 (military), if they owned horses, pigs, cattle, an interest in a sailing vessel, etc. |
| <Jilly> | yes....'tis |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Also, tax lists may be used to supplement land records. |
| <Jilly> | ? if they lived lets say by "iron works" employment a lot had housing provided..that is not going to show up is it? |
| <swannurse> | are tax records found in general areas with land records? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | It might if the records of the Iron Works has been preserved |
| <NAHostMichelle> | No, if they lived in company housing, there would be no deeds as the company owned the property. But, the company's records might provided "rental" info. |
| <Jilly> | might be.......there's a historical society in the town of Copake |
| <KimberlyHOST> | I've found interesting tidbits in coal company records before |
| <KimberlyHOST> | But it is really hit or miss |
| <Jilly> | kewl..another spark of hope given |
| <NAHostMichelle> | SN, Tax records are usually with the County Clerk or County Tax Assessor or might be at the local library/archives. |
| <Jilly> | we'll go for the hit part of that answer |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Jilly - if nothing else, you'll learn some neat new facts to help develop your family's "social history" :-) |
| <Jilly> | true..been collecting that info |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Here are two great books on Land and Tax Records... |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Hatcher, Patricia Law. Locating Your Roots: Discover Your Ancestors Using Land Records. White Hall, Virginia: Betterway Publications, 2003. |
| <KimberlyHOST> | You can find a lot of early tax records (1600s and early 1700s) posted on USGenWeb sites |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Carroll, Cornelius. The Beginner's Guide to Using Tax Lists. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002. |
| <Jilly> | michelle you are just a library of information tonight!!! lol |
| <KimberlyHOST> | and... Hone, Wade. Land & Property Research in the United States |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Published by Ancestry |
| <swannurse> | are most of these books you have listed in General Libraries or of lending types |
| <KimberlyHOST> | in 1997? I believe |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Hone, E. Wade. Land and Property Research in the United States. Salt Lake City, Utah: Ancestry Publishing, 1998. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | ;-) |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Yes, that one! |
| <swannurse> | or do these books need to be purchased |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Many of these books will be available at major genealogy libraries |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Or, if your library has a genealogy section, it may have some of them |
| <Jilly> | you can do a check on line with you local library.. |
| <swannurse> | good, fixed senior incomes only stretch so far. |
| <KimberlyHOST> | You can probably get them through interlibrary loan as well |
| <Jilly> | or neighboring libraries |
| <KimberlyHOST> | You're in Ohio, right swannurse? |
| <Sagehost> | our interlibrary loan is $.25 to reserve and $1.00 for use for 3 weeks |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Well, now that you know if they owned land and may have paid taxes. It would be nice to "see" where they lived, no?? |
| <swannurse> | yes |
| <Jilly> | yes |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Ohio has a lot of libraries with excellent genealogical collections |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Map, Atlases & Gazetteers... |
| <Sagehost> | Good library at Ft. Wayne, Indiana |
| <swannurse> | went to Ft. Wayne in 2000 |
| <Sagehost> | have any luck |
| <NAHostMichelle> | My favorite online site for Maps & Atlases is the Library of Congress' Geography and Map Division. They hold over 4.5 million items in their collection!!! |
| <swannurse> | wonderful |
| <swannurse> | I was new to research so didn't get as much as if I were to go now. |
| <swannurse> | It was my first large library trip. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Their "Map Collections" online represents only a small fraction, those that have been converted to digital form. The focus of "Map Collections" is Americana and Cartographic Treasures of the Library of Congress. These images were created from maps and atlases and, in general, are restricted to items that are not covered by copyright protection. |
| <swannurse> | Are these maps printable |
| <NAHostMichelle> | So if you're looking for those early 19thC or 18thC maps, this would be the first place to check out, both online and via research request. |
| <KimberlyHOST> | You can also learn more about the maps which aren't part of their online collection here |
| <Sagehost> | Kim and Michelle how do you go about finding naturalization papers |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Another great site online for maps is... Perry-Castaneda Library Map Collection [The University of Texas at Austin] |
| <NAHostMichelle> | As well as University of Virginia Library Geographic Information Center |
| <Sagehost> | Need to say goodnight. Will check back on naturalization papers next week. |
| <Sagehost> | Have a good Holy Week and God bless you all |
| <Jilly> | ngt sage |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Sage, I'll be covering Naturalization in just a bit. |
| <Jilly> | you too |
| <Jilly> | if you want we can just jump to it for sage then head back |
| <Sagehost> | Will wait Michelle |
| <NAHostMichelle> | That's fine... Sage, what time period/locale? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | On maps, if you have ancestors in the eastern US you might want to check out this historic USGS collection |
| <Sagehost> | 1900-1920 |
| <Sagehost> | Iowa |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Plus, more free online map resources - Maps for Genealogists |
| <NAHostMichelle> | 1900-1906 should be with the County Clerk. After 1906, a copy might be with the County Clerk, but most likely with the local US Federal Court. |
| <KimberlyHOST> | If you want to use maps to help locate cemeteries, an ancestor's land, or geographical features (creeks, streams, etc.) |
| <KimberlyHOST> | I'd also suggest ordering them through the USGS |
| <KimberlyHOST> | They are around $7 each |
| <KimberlyHOST> | But well worth it if you have a lot of ancestors from a particular area |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Or if you ever want to get into land platting |
| <Sagehost> | I got one set of papers at the county clerk, but can' find the rest of the family papers there |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Have you tried an inquiry with the INS? I know it's not exactly quick, but they're usually pretty good about finding the record. |
| <Sagehost> | Never thought about the INS, thanks |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Sage - have you located them on passenger lists? |
| <Sagehost> | Phil has a friend who works at INS here in Indianapolis, so maybe he can help me out |
| <KimberlyHOST> | The passenger lists may also be stamped with the naturalization certificate number which includes the district/court |
| <Sagehost> | Yes, I know they came through Ellis Island off the ship Cincinnatti |
| <Sagehost> | Came from Hamburg, Germany |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Sage - Naturalization Records from the INS |
| <Sagehost> | thanks Kim |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Sage, there's a lengthy description of Naturalization records under Iowa in the FHL online catalog. |
| <swannurse> | any sugestions as to where to find "Body Transfer" information? For people who died in one state and were transfered to another state or country for burial. Where would I find naturalization for someone who arrived before Ellis? The date on census is too fuzzy to read. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | SN, what state? |
| <swannurse> | NY to Canada and vice versa |
| <swannurse> | MI to Canada and NY |
| <Sagehost> | Thanks again, hate to leave, but have got to get to bed. Take care and have a good week. God bless. Happy Easter. |
| <swannurse> | Nite |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Well, I'm not sure if this covers the whole state or not... Transit permits for transportation of corpse, 1918-1930 |
| <NAHostMichelle> | "Transit permits for transportation of corpse, 1918-1930" New York. Department of Health. Division of Vital Statistics (Main Author) FHL US/CAN Film 1753429 Item 8 |
| <KimberlyHOST> | BRB |
| <NAHostMichelle> | I would probably suggest the New York State Archives as a place to check. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Okay folks, since it's getting late... shall I hold the remaining topics for next week? |
| <swannurse> | Great, thanks, what about MI |
| <Jilly> | sounds good michelle....good night of info...thanks |
| <Jilly> | now how do i get the transcript of this conversations |
| <swannurse> | You're the boss, whatever. I've learned a LOT |
| <NAHostMichelle> | SN, you can check the FHL online catalog... for more details under Michigan - Vital Records |
| <swannurse> | my next question also |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Jilly - I'll post the transcript of this chat on my Web site tomorrow |
| <Jilly> | cool |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Okay then, we'll hold 7. Probate Records 8. Court Records 9. Church Records 10. Cemetery Records 11. Periodicals, Newspapers and Manuscript Collections 12. Archives, Libraries and Societies 13. Special Focus or Topical categories (Immigration/Naturalization, African-American, Native American, etc) until next week. :-) |
| <KimberlyHOST> | can't find the transcript, I meant |
| <Utopia> | hello |
| <Utopia> | finally someone is in here, lol |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Welcome Utopia :) |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Is this the time you usually check in Utopia? |
| <Utopia> | I come all the time, only alone |
| <Jilly> | lol..we've been here since 9pm utopia..ya missed a great class |
| <NAHostMichelle> | brb... |
| <KimberlyHOST> | We are all here every Monday |
| <Utopia> | later usually |
| <KimberlyHOST> | from 9PM - 11 or 11:30PM Eastern Time |
| <Utopia> | only on Mondays? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | That's the only scheduled chat for now |
| <Utopia> | No wonder |
| <KimberlyHOST> | The chat room is always open |
| <Jilly> | lol |
| <KimberlyHOST> | But you have to end up trying at the same time as someone else |
| <Utopia> | yeah, how well i noticed that, lol |
| <KimberlyHOST> | If you really want to chat you can log into the chat room and then set your options to play a sound when people join |
| <Utopia> | dont have that much time |
| <Jilly> | kim...sends a reminder notice to us utopia |
| <KimberlyHOST> | And then open a new browser window and go onto other things |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Utopia - do you get my newsletter? |
| <Utopia> | no |
| <KimberlyHOST> | My free weekly genealogy newsletter (About Genealogy) comes out on Mondays about 4pm Eastern and I always remind people about the weekly Monday night chat |
| <KimberlyHOST> | http://genealogy.about.com (click on Newsletters) |
| <Utopia> | how many usually come? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | 5-15 on average |
| <NAHostMichelle> | back |
| <Jilly> | depends...but the genealogy info is great |
| <Utopia> | yes, would be |
| <swannurse> | tonights, GREAT |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Did you hear that Michelle - they think you're GGGRRRREAT! |
| <Utopia> | I always miss the fun, lol |
| <Jilly> | you will have to look at tonights chat..michelle was blowing us away with information |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Do you guys prefer this type of chat format? |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Thank you!!!! |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Where we sort of teach a topic as well as just answering questions? |
| <Utopia> | do we have a choice? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Utopia - usually we have a topic, but don't really present a "lecture" Instead we just answer questions related to the topic |
| <Jilly> | its good to have an actual class....learned more tonight |
| <Jilly> | i like the open chat too.... |
| <KimberlyHOST> | But tonight, Michelle presented a "lecture" on locality research as well as answering related questions |
| <KimberlyHOST> | How about half and half Jilly? |
| <Utopia> | oh, can we do it again...??? JOKING |
| <Jilly> | sounds good to me |
| <swannurse> | me too |
| <KimberlyHOST> | OK - I'll try to do that! |
| <Jilly> | can utopia see the chat or only since she logged on? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Feel free to email me if you have specific topics you would like us to present |
| <Jilly> | k |
| <Utopia> | only if i go read trannies |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Utopia can only see what's been said since she/he? logged on |
| <KimberlyHOST> | The transcript will be posted tomorrow |
| <Jilly> | oh.. |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Part 2 to follow!!! |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Yes, Utopia - Michelle will be continuing this topic/chat next Monday |
| <Jilly> | she will have to wait for the written transcript tomorrow |
| <Utopia> | okay, will see about coming |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Because we all found it so interesting we ran out of time to finish! |
| <swannurse> | time flies when you're having fun |
| <Jilly> | hi lou |
| <swannurse> | and learning |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Any other questions tonight? |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Well, I have to say goodnight all. It's almost midnight here and I have kids to get up and out the door for school tomorrow :) |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Thanks SO much Michelle! |
| <KimberlyHOST> | Great lecture :) |
| <Jilly> | ok....heading for bed since i only got 3 hours last night...she sounds better tonight..may get a few more hours sleep tonight..lol |
| <Jilly> | yes thanks michelle |
| <KimberlyHOST> | I hope she feels better, Jilly |
| <swannurse> | Same here, Good Nite All and THANKS |
| <NAHostMichelle> | You're most welcome! I had a great time!! |
| <Jilly> | thanks kim |
| <Jilly> | bye all night michellle |
| <NAHostMichelle> | Hope to see everyone next Monday!!! |
Continue to Transcript from Locality Chat - Part II
Part Three of this Chat to take place on Monday April 28 at 9:30PM
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