Exploring Genealogy
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Transcript of Chat -
9 May, 2001
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| <AmyCrow> | Although if he died in Ohio after 1908, his certificate SHOULD be both in Cleveland and at OHS... |
| <AmyCrow> | but sometimes one is missing. If you haven't looked in both places, I'd suggest doing that. |
| <Ellieann> | Thank you!! |
| <AmyCrow> | You're welcome! |
| <AmyCrow> | Next question. |
| <genealogyADM> | golightly - your turn :) |
| <golightly> | I have 2 ancestors who were merchants in Defiance Co. (1830's and 1860's). What resources are available to research their businesses? |
| <AmyCrow> | I would suggest a few different approaches... |
| <AmyCrow> | First, contact the Defiance County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society. |
| <AmyCrow> | They may know if or where those records may be locally. |
| <AmyCrow> | I'd also suggest contacting the Center for Archival Collections at Bowling Green State. |
| <AmyCrow> | They are the regional archives for that portion of the state. |
| <AmyCrow> | You may also want to check the National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections (NUCMC). |
| <golightly> | Thanks, I'll try those. What about taxes? |
| <AmyCrow> | In the county auditor's office. Some have been microfilmed. Try the LDS Family History Library Catalog. |
| <golightly> | How do I find the NUCMC? |
| <AmyCrow> | And if the years you need aren't microfilmed and aren't in Defiance County, they should be at Bowling Green. |
| <AmyCrow> | It is online at... |
| <AmyCrow> | http://www.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/ |
| <golightly> | thank you very much. |
| <AmyCrow> | Next question. |
| <AmyCrow> | You're welcome! |
| <genealogyADM> | Anita - your turn :) |
| <Anita> | I have one or more sets of ancestors who made their way from other states (North Carolina for one) to Highland County, OH - and then made their way to Indiana. I am wondering how common this was (i.e., whether or not Highland County, OH was on one of the migration routes). |
| <AmyCrow> | Yes, Highland County (as did a lot of southwest Ohio) had migrations from North Carolina... |
| <AmyCrow> | And people from all over Ohio migrated into Indiana. |
| <Anita> | Are there any particular pertinent records pertaining to this that I might want to reference? |
| <AmyCrow> | Do you mean in terms of finding where they came from or more about the trail? |
| <cyndihow> | Keep up the wonderful work, Amy! I'm off for the night. Night all! |
| <AmyCrow> | Good night Cyndi! |
| <genealogyADM> | Goodnight Cyndi :) |
| <BeckyHOST> | thanks for coming Cyndi.....g'night! |
| <Anita> | I know that they came from Surry Co., NC (this particular couple) - and settled for a while in Highland Co. - Sometime after 1794 (as that's when they married). I guess any records on the migrations and also migration to Highland Co. |
| <SharonHOST> | Goodnight Cyndi |
| <AmyCrow> | I think for information on the migration, I'd suggest a good county history... |
| <Anita> | Goodnight Cindy! Thanks for all your hard work! |
| <AmyCrow> | for both Highland County, OH and Surry Co, NC. |
| * Anita | Thanks kindly for your help Amy. .Over and out! |
| <AmyCrow> | We tend to be focused on the index when we use county histories, but some have tremendous info on general topics. |
| <Anita> | One cannot overlook history when researching family history! |
| <AmyCrow> | That's exactly right! |
| <AmyCrow> | Next question. |
| <genealogyADM> | JT - your turn :) |
| <JT> | My ggrandfather was a Franklin County Commissioner. I'm having trouble find info (1893) |
| <AmyCrow> | What type of info are you looking for? |
| <JT> | meat for the bones - what he did etc |
| <AmyCrow> | There are several histories for Franklin County and Columbus. Many of the records for the Franklin Co commissioners are at OHS. |
| <AmyCrow> | (That the Ohio Historical Society in Columbus). |
| <JT> | I tried them, the could find no record |
| <AmyCrow> | You may also want to read the Columbus newspapers for that time period. There were three. |
| <AmyCrow> | The Ohio State Journal, The Columbus Dispatch and the Columbus Citizen. |
| <AmyCrow> | There were also several foreign language and other "specialized" newspapers. |
| <JT> | Good idea, I'll try that |
| <AmyCrow> | They are available at OHS. You can read through there for the local events. |
| <AmyCrow> | By the way, for anyone wanting to find old newspapers in Ohio... |
| <AmyCrow> | the Ohio Historical Society in Columbus has the largest collection of Ohio newspapers. |
| <AmyCrow> | Next question. |
| <GKBakies> | I found an ancestor on an Ashtabula county census in between the 1850 and 1860 national census. It only lists the heads of household names. Is it possible to find out more about the family than this, such as how many in family, where they lived? Can't find any other reference to ancestor, except death prior to 1860. |
| <AmyCrow> | You've probably seen a "quadrennial enumeration." |
| <GKBakies> | Yes, I couldn't remember what actually called. |
| <AmyCrow> | It was a local census of males age 21 and over (and in some areas, _white_ males only). |
| <AmyCrow> | That was the extent of that record -- just the listing of those men. |
| <AmyCrow> | Other records that you could use to help recreate the family would be... |
| <AmyCrow> | probate records, guardianship records, land records, church and cemetery records, etc. |
| <AmyCrow> | Does that help? |
| <GKBakies> | So about the only other thing it tells me is that there weren't any other males >21 in family? Looked for probate, land. Would have expected guardianship, but not in probate. |
| <AmyCrow> | The guardianship may have been in either probate or common pleas court. |
| <GKBakies> | Would the records from 1850's still be in hands of clerk of common pleas? |
| <AmyCrow> | The list tells you that there were no other males over 21 in that township or county. |
| <AmyCrow> | It depends. They may be, or they may have been transferred to the regional archives for that area. |
| <AmyCrow> | For Ashtabula County, the regional archives is the Western Reserve Historical Society. |
| <GKBakies> | I thought regional for Ashtabula was WRHS and I don't see them listed in their manuscript collection for the county. |
| <AmyCrow> | WRHS is the regional archives for Ashtabula. I'm not certain how complete their online catalog is. |
| <GKBakies> | Meant in house listing. |
| <AmyCrow> | You may want to contact the Ashtabula Common Pleas court and/or the Ashtabula Co Chapter of OGS for more info. |
| <GKBakies> | I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestions. |
| <AmyCrow> | That's interesting. I wish I had a more definitive answer for you. |
| <AmyCrow> | You're welcome. Next question. |
| <genealogyADM> | paternB - your turn :) |
| <paternB> | Amy, I have found my Father's family in 1910 & 1920 census. In the 1910 there is an 8 year old, but does not appear in 1920. Do I assume that he has died between the two census? Should I now look for a death certificate? This is a child nobody ever mentioned. |
| <genealogyADM> | If anyone has any last minute questions - now is the time to get them in :) |
| <AmyCrow> | It is possible that he died. In 1920, he would have been 18 -- old enough to be on his own. |
| <AmyCrow> | It wouldn't hurt to look for a death record. I'd also look for him separately on the 1920 soundex. |
| <paternB> | If I remember right the 1910 and 20 census do not show addresses. How would I find out where they lived. |
| <AmyCrow> | If they lived in a city, it should list the address. |
| <paternB> | You mean on the soundex card? |
| <AmyCrow> | You may also want to look for the "missing" son in city directories. |
| <paternB> | How do I do that?:) |
| <AmyCrow> | Yes, look for a separate soundex card for him -- in case he's living on his own or with a different family in 1920. |
| <paternB> | Also, how would I get birth certificates for ancestors born in Wales? |
| <AmyCrow> | You'd have to find those in Wales. |
| <NGSJohn> | PaternB if they are born after 1837 they were recorded and copies should be available from London |
| <NGSJohn> | also from the local registration office |
| <paternB> | Thanks very much for helping me. I have really enjoyed this and also thank you NGSJohn. |
| <AmyCrow> | For the 1920 soundex, just look for his name, rather than his father's name. |
| <AmyCrow> | Thanks John! |
| <genealogyADM> | paternB - Here's the info you need for requesting certificates from Wales |
| <genealogyADM> | |
| <genealogyADM> | HW - your turn :) |
| <paternB> | Thanks, this is great! |
| <HW> | Where was the prison camp, was it Camp Chase? Where can I read any stories of life in the POW camp? |
| <AmyCrow> | I presume you mean Civil War? |
| <HW> | yes |
| <AmyCrow> | There were at least two prison camps -- Camp Chase in Columbus and Johnson's Island in Lake Erie. |
| <AmyCrow> | There is a book about Camp Chase. I can't recall the title, though "Camp Chase" is part of the title. |
| <AmyCrow> | I'd suggest doing a search on google.com or any other good search engine. |
| <HW> | Thanks, I had a prominent cousin who was a minister in Nashville, imprisoned there by Andrew Johnson. He died shortly after being released. |
| <genealogyADM> | 'Story of Camp Chase' |
| <genealogyADM> | You can find it at Barnes & Noble or Amazon |
| <AmyCrow> | That's it! Thanks Kimberly. It is a neat book. |
| <HW> | Thanks |
| <GKBakies> | On the 1920 Cleveland census, I can find my grandfather living with his mother and 2 brothers, another married brother and married sister. But there are 3 teenage girls I can't find. I know they were alive - Found marriage records in later 1920's. for all 3. What could explain them not being there or how can I find them otherwise? |
| <AmyCrow> | Look for them by there names in the census -- they may have been living in separate households. |
| <AmyCrow> | Many girls went to work as house servants, dressmakers, etc. |
| <AmyCrow> | You may also want to look in Cuyahoga Co marriage records to see if they got married before the 1920 census. |
| <GKBakies> | even at about 10 years old? |
| <AmyCrow> | Not that young for marriage <g> but could still have been living with a different family, especially if there is no male head of household. |
| <AmyCrow> | It would have been difficult for a single mother to have that many mouths to feed. |
| <GKBakies> | Marriage records for Cuyahoga list marriages I found as first marriages for all 3. Father was dead in 1917. |
| <AmyCrow> | I'd look in the soundex for them separately. I'd also look for other family members -- uncles, aunts, etc. whom they may be living with. |
| <AmyCrow> | Does that make sense? |
| <GKBakies> | If living with someone else, could they be mislabeled with that family's last name? No other family migrated them from Poland in 1913 that was related. |
| <AmyCrow> | They could be. And if you're working with a Polish surname, you may want to play around with the spelling... |
| <AmyCrow> | Sometimes different spellings will result in different Soundex codes. |
| <GKBakies> | I'll try that and try scrolling around the families living around them. Thanks for the ideas. |
| <AmyCrow> | You're welcome. |
| <genealogyADM> | Your turn Cindy :) |
| <Cindy> | When was the first census in OH? The first records for my husband's family that I've found are marriages in the 1840's. |
| <genealogyADM> | And Amy, that's the last question :) |
| <AmyCrow> | The first census in Ohio that survived is 1820. |
| <Cindy> | Thank you. Sorry I got here so late. My first time. |
| <AmyCrow> | Ohio didn't become a state until 1803 (thus no 1800 census), and the 1810 census for OHio was destroyed. |
| <AmyCrow> | Glad you could make it! |
| <NGSJohn> | I want to say thanks to everyone who has joined us in this online presentation this evening and I need to say a special word of thanks to Amy. She has done a marvelous job, but then she always does! Amy thanks and I will see you next week. Folks NGS has a big event going on next week in Portland. Our national conference. Kimberly, I need to thank you once again. Stay tuned for future online chats courtesy of the National Genealogical Society Learning Center. |
| <AmyCrow> | Thank you for inviting me, John. |
| <NGSJohn> | Thanks and good night! |
| <genealogyADM> | Thank you Amy and John for a wonderful evening!!! I'm honored to have you as guests in my chat room |
| <AmyCrow> | I really enjoyed my stay here this evening! |
| <genealogyADM> | I'm going to turn off moderation now |
| <genealogyADM> | So you can all thank Amy personally! |
| <SharonHOST> | Amy, Wonderful job!!! Thank you so much |
| <BeckyHOST> | thank you Amy, John and Kimberly.....tonight was wonderful!!!! |
| * Eagle | (Plays Sound: applause.wav) Thanks for all the great info Amy |
| <UnkHIram> | Great Job Amy, I just wish I had some Ohio Surnames to research |
| <AmyCrow> | UnkHIram -- go find some! <g> |
| <BeckyHOST> | you can borrow some of mine Unk |
| <BeckyHOST> | lol |
| <Eagle> | mine too Unk |
| <BaBa> | Thanks! It was very informative! |
| <Cindy> | Or mine, too! |
| <UnkHIram> | Now now, I think I will just stick to my Southern Roots (GRIN) |
| <AmyCrow> | I'd like to thank all of you for coming in tonight and for being such a great crowd! |
| <paternB> | It was for both! |
| <BeckyHOST> | lol.....was gonna see your TRAYWICK and raise you two BATEMANS Unk :) |
| <Ellieann> | Thank you Amy, enjoyed the chat. |
| <SharonHOST> | NGSJohn, I also want to thank you for coming up with this wonderful idea for these chats. We all appreciate them very much |
| <genealogyADM> | Thanks then! Glad to have you :) |
| <HW> | Anybody heard of "Hartville College" in Indiana? |
| <GKBakies> | Thanks for all of the great information. I don't know how you come up with it so fast! |
| <BeckyHOST> | yes we do Sharon |
| <AmyCrow> | Lots of Ohio ancestors -- and lots of books on my desk :-) |
| <BeckyHOST> | I haven't HW no |
| <UnkHIram> | Amy< I feel I should warn you, I am gonna do a column on this chat |
| <UnkHIram> | your lecture was fantastic and I want folks to know about it |
| <BeckyHOST> | lol....I thought I saw you stealing my crayons Unk |
| <AmyCrow> | <blush> |
| <BeckyHOST> | I think we all agree with Unk's assessment Amy.....you really did us a great service tonight |
| <GKBakies> | I tuned in late for the session, but I noticed it said this was recorded. Where would I find a transcript so I can read what I missed? |
| <AmyCrow> | I'm glad I could help! |
| <genealogyADM> | Didn't the parents of the Wright Brothers attend Hartville College? |
| <BeckyHOST> | the transcript will be posted to the site in a few days GK |
| <genealogyADM> | GK - I'll be putting it up on my site soon |
| <genealogyADM> | You can find it linked off of my main chat page |
| <BeckyHOST> | in the meantime you can read over previous chats - they are linked from the main chat page |
| <HW> | Yes, I don't know where it was. My G Grandfather went there 3 years. |
| <genealogyADM> | Scroll down to the link for "archived chat transcripts" |
| <AmyCrow> | It's time for me to head out. Thanks again for having me this evening! |
| <GKBakies> | Thanks, everyone, for your efforts. |
| <AmyCrow> | Good night, all! |
