Exploring Genealogy
with
Special
Guest
Bill Hocutt aka Uncle Hiram
genealogy columnist for the Houston
Gazette & Southern
Footprints Magazine
"Rednecks, Rumors
& Family Shame
What NOT to Include in Your Family History"
Transcript of Chat - 27 February, 2001
| UnkHiram | Hi My name is Uncle Hiram, I write the Adventures in Genealogy |
| UnkHiram | Been doing the column for a couple of years now |
| UnkHiram | I recently wrote a column on what to include and what NOT to include in your Genealogy |
| UnkHiram | My main point was to use a lot of common sense |
| UnkHiram | Dont include anything that will only hurt some one who reads it |
| UnkHiram | For example |
| UnkHiram | One of my cousins was murdered about two years ago, |
| UnkHiram | I have all the documentation, newspaper reports etc |
| UnkHiram | But All I included in his bio was that he was murdered and the date |
| UnkHiram | I could not think of anything that would be gained from hurting his mother by including the grisly details |
| UnkHiram | On the other hand, I have an ancestor in the 1880's that was convicted of rustling |
| UnkHiram | I include every detail on him, because of the distance in time |
| UnkHiram | He had become a "Character" instead of a person |
| UnkHiram | Ok, let me fingers rest for a second, any questions yet? |
| beejay | What about the family who doesn't want to hear "father unknown"? |
| genealogyADM | I have a personal scenario |
| UnkHiram | BJ, You mean a recent one? |
| beejay | My grandmother in 1897, children still alive. |
| UnkHiram | BJ< if so, my rule of thumb is to go by the birth certificate, what it says is what I use |
| UnkHiram | BJ, is a matter of not finding the info yet or was the gentleman not known? |
| beejay | That's where it gets strange - the birth certificate lists her mother by her married name but she got married 2 years later. |
| rikki | .*peek* |
| Shatys | HI rikki |
| UnkHiram | BJ, that was sorta common back then, Folks got married when they moved in together |
| beejay | And they got upset with me? |
| UnkHiram | but the preacher might not be around for a year or two if they lived in the boonies |
| rikki | Hiay Shatys....hope I didn't miss to much but I'll try to be quiet and listen for a bit :) |
| UnkHiram | Hi Rikki, You didn't miss much, just me making jokes (GRIN) |
| genealogyADM | LOL Rikki! - Welcome :) |
| beejay | Didn't know that. So the parents may have been a "couple" but not married by the church? |
| UnkHiram | BJ, that is one of the traps of genealogy, when you find something that folks dont like it will upset folks |
| UnkHiram | BJ< exactly |
| beejay | Family should be able to live with that. |
| rikki | Hiya Unk and Kim......well....I'm not to good a behavin but I'll try for a bit at least...k? :) |
| genealogyADM | I found a will for one of my family lines in which I discovered that my ggggrandfather essentially wrote one of his children out of the will by leaving him a dollar |
| UnkHiram | BJ, yes they should, you can leave the marriage date fuzzy until all the children pass |
| UnkHiram | But hold on to the Marriage Certificate |
| genealogyADM | Of course that is the child from which I am descended ;-) |
| UnkHiram | Rikki, LOL |
| genealogyADM | I am creating a family history book for this family |
| UnkHiram | Boss Lady, that happened a lot |
| genealogyADM | And some people in the family want that will included |
| genealogyADM | and others do not |
| UnkHiram | The info should be far back enough that it won't upset folks, I mean after all it happened what |
| UnkHiram | 100 years or more ago |
| genealogyADM | I am reprinting most of the documents I have found in the book |
| genealogyADM | About 85 |
| genealogyADM | He died in his 90's |
| UnkHiram | Boss Lady, Is the son still alive? |
| Shatys | Kim, If I left that kind of thing out of my book, I wouldn't have a book LOL |
| genealogyADM | No, the son died soon after he did |
| genealogyADM | I was planning to include it |
| genealogyADM | I don't personally have any problem with it |
| UnkHiram | Kim, I would use it, its a HARD Fact, Proven, Documented and very old |
| genealogyADM | But some family members were upset with the idea |
| UnkHiram | you gotta remember our ancestors were not all puritans |
| genealogyADM | Mine sure weren't! |
| beejay | Nor mine |
| genealogyADM | I considered this to be minor |
| UnkHiram | When It comes to dead folks, I usually add it unless it won't add to the family history |
| genealogyADM | and couldn't figure out why some of the family members were so upset |
| JMae | Well, the Puritans weren't all gray and sober all the time either! |
| JMae | (or somber) |
| genealogyADM | I guess there were a lot of hard feelings at the time |
| UnkHiram | For example: My Great Grandfather has 17 legitimate kids |
| UnkHiram | we have very strong circumstantial evidence he had 5 more illegitimate kids |
| UnkHiram | I choose not to include that information because 1) I can prove it completely |
| UnkHiram | 2) It would not serve to build the family history |
| UnkHiram | 3) It would only hurt his descendants legitimate and illegitimate |
| rikki | ho boy.....good thing ya'll don't know to much about my Martin side..... |
| UnkHiram | rikki, LOL, someday I will sit down and trade "Black Sheep" Stories with you |
| beejay | Seems my perception of how things were 100 years ago weren't exactly right |
| JMae | There is a black sheep genealogy website, by the way ;) |
| beejay | No way |
| UnkHiram | OK, any other questions before I hit the next topic |
| UnkHiram | Jmae, Yep I am a member of the organization |
| rikki | My grandfather John....it wasn't possible for him to keep it in his pants cause with the number of families he has didn't allow him to *have* any pants. :) |
| Shatys | Unk, Illegitimate or not, they would still be 1/2 brothers/sisters to the legitimate ones |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, without a doubt, that is a fact, but I cant prove they were his and because of the part |
| UnkHiram | of the country he lived in the issue of race is a major problem |
| JMae | ooh boy! |
| UnkHiram | One of them is now a Professor at a Southern College, I would not want to embarrass him |
| UnkHiram | That is the Illegitimate branch not the legitimate branch |
| rikki | Unk....do you know that it *would* embarrass him? I mean, does he know or suspect and does he care? |
| Shatys | understand but if you had a situation where it could be proven and you didn't have the racial issue you would include it right? |
| UnkHiram | rikki, actually yes, I have spoken with him extensively and shared info with him, he is a real nice guy |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, IF I could prove it, I would probably include it, race issue or no race issue |
| rikki | Ok...then that right there would be a dead issue then. That information would ( for me anyway) be held in trust and left in the documentation for future generations :) |
| UnkHiram | rikki, Exactly what I have done, its in my research but I don't print it |
| UnkHiram | OK, next point, Family Legends |
| rikki | Cool...I got something right!! |
| rikki | LOL |
| UnkHiram | You can include family legends but you need to make sure you make it clear they are "Legends" |
| UnkHiram | Unproven |
| UnkHiram | For Example: My Grandmother lived in Cooper Texas in the 1920's, One of her Babysitters |
| UnkHiram | was Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde |
| UnkHiram | That is a family legend, we don't have proof |
| UnkHiram | I put it in her section with the Note that it was a Legend, unproven one way or the other |
| UnkHiram | The time is right, but its impossible to document |
| UnkHiram | The inclusion of Family legends will spice up your material, but remember if you cant prove it say so |
| UnkHiram | Ok, any questions? |
| rikki | hmmm........I got castles, inheritances, bigamy, and Gloria Swanson as well as Ed Maronaro... |
| rikki | Or however you spell his name....sheesh. |
| UnkHiram | rikki, LOL, unless you got documents make sure you say its UNPROVEN |
| UnkHiram | but that does bring up a sore point |
| leslie | How do you prove family legends? |
| UnkHiram | Leslie, ok, first examine the legend |
| UnkHiram | for example, say your family claimed that your Great Grandfather rode with Jesse James |
| UnkHiram | First thing you need to determine is if it was possible |
| rikki | LOL....Unk...no proof on the Castle....inheritance or Gloria.....but the bigamy and Ed are true and fully documented. :) |
| UnkHiram | Was he alive at the right time, did he live in Missouri |
| UnkHiram | If both of those prove out, then you hit the libraries |
| UnkHiram | Looking thru old newspaper accounts of Jesse James Gang |
| UnkHiram | Look for mentions of all the gang members |
| UnkHiram | If he rode with Jesse, He will be mentioned in one of the stories probably |
| UnkHiram | If that does not pan out, check out other material |
| UnkHiram | See if you can place him in Missouri at the right time or if you can place him in another area |
| rikki | Unk....I do have a question....it's in reference to those inheritance hoaxes of the 20's. Do you know anything about them? |
| UnkHiram | Sometimes you have to Disprove something |
| UnkHiram | rikki, I have heard about them, and I know Dear Myrtle wrote a very good column on them |
| UnkHiram | a couple of years ago, but I am really not very familiar with the subject |
| rikki | hmmmm.....I guess I'm gonna have to become an expert on those things..... :) |
| UnkHiram | Rikki, on the subject of the bigamy and Ed, if you can prove them, and the bigamist is dead |
| UnkHiram | I would include them |
| UnkHiram | If he was alive I would hold back until he passed |
| rikki | Ohh...yeah...... the bigamist is dead and I wish he were still alive so I could include it in all the publications..... |
| UnkHiram | rikki, go to DearMyrtles site, she has a search engine so you can search all her old articles |
| UnkHiram | Rikki, LOL< sounds like he ain't one of your favorite people |
| UnkHiram | Ok, any more questions before we hit the next point? |
| rikki | Unk....nope....He was my grandfather and he was the meanest nastiest person on the face of the earth. |
| rikki | Ok....I'll stop now :) Sorry :) He just still riles my blood..... |
| UnkHiram | Lets say you find and can prove that your Grandfather had a mistress and his oldest daughter was named after her |
| UnkHiram | and you have the documents to prove it |
| UnkHiram | Personally I would not include that kinda of information because it would only hurt |
| UnkHiram | people |
| UnkHiram | Your Grandfathers reputation, and your Aunt who was named after the mistress |
| UnkHiram | It would not add to your family history, it would only serve to hurt the living |
| UnkHiram | Provable but not something you want to add |
| UnkHiram | Remember you want the facts, you want to document your family history |
| UnkHiram | But more than likely your goal is not to damage the family |
| UnkHiram | On the other hand, if you can prove he had a mistress and they had a child |
| UnkHiram | and you talk with the child |
| rikki | The other people are the only reason I won't include this information. Not because they don't all know already....the cops picked him up and his 3 wives and 2 girlfriends all got to meet one another then....but his other children and the rest of the family do want to be included....we just can't figure out how to everyone's satisfaction. |
| UnkHiram | barring any other extenuating circumstances, add it |
| UnkHiram | rikki, that calls for some tact and being a little fuzzy |
| UnkHiram | I would include all the wives as alternate spouses, list the kids |
| UnkHiram | Just don't put in the Marriage dates until all the wives and their kids are dead |
| UnkHiram | But keep the material in your research |
| UnkHiram | ok, any questions? |
| UnkHiram | I mean besides where can you read the Adventures in Genealogy |
| UnkHiram | (www.stategensites.com or www.houstongazette.com) |
| rikki | I've tried that.....but there are arguments over who gets listed first...and who is his *real* children......Otherwise known as first children.....but I'll keep trying :) Thanks :) |
| UnkHiram | (GRIN) free plug |
| UnkHiram | rikki, I can help you there, First Married, First LIsted |
| Shatys | Unk, As with most families, back a couple generations I have several cousins who married and nieces marrying uncles etc. would you point that out in your notes or just let the reader figure it out? |
| UnkHiram | All the children are real, and should be listed |
| rikki | LOL.....We have to go on time then...cause he married the first 2 on the same day....*sigh* |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, you must have southern roots, I have the same problem |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, I don't make a point of it, but I don't hide it either |
| Shatys | It's just confusing to figure out who is who and the notes makes it easier |
| UnkHiram | rikki, Are you sure we ain't related? |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, You can put it in your notes, But at least with mine, I don't print that particular note |
| rikki | Unk.....LOL....nope....We could be....I lived in Channelview for a bit. :) |
| Shatys | Are you saying that was mostly a southern thing, I thought it was common everywhere |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, have you made a descendant chart for your ancestors |
| genealogyADM | I find it a lot more in my Southern ancestors than anywhere else |
| Shatys | Unk, yes |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, No it was not exclusively southern, But it seem to happen a lot more in the south |
| genealogyADM | But I also think that may have something to do with the fact that those families just didn't move around as much |
| genealogyADM | Farming families also seemed to have lots of children |
| UnkHiram | Kim, exactly, and you gotta remember most of the cities were in the North |
| UnkHiram | The pool to select from was smaller |
| genealogyADM | And so the major population of a small southern town would come from a handful of families |
| Shatys | I have one ancestor that married 4 sisters (as each one died) and then married a niece |
| genealogyADM | LOL Sharon! |
| UnkHiram | Shatys, here is what I have done, On my descendant chart I ran extra lines to show the cross polonization |
| UnkHiram | Sharon, Was his name NEWKIRK by any chance? |
| rikki | cross polonization......LOL....good one Unk.....ROFL |
| Shatys | Unk, No MAXWELL |
| UnkHiram | ok, thought i would take a shot (GRIN) |
| Shatys | you got one too Unk? |
| UnkHiram | Sharon, Yep, on a collateral line, Sam Newkirk, married all three of the daughters of Israel Hocutt |
| Shatys | Nothing like keeping it in the family |
| UnkHiram | LOL, yep |
| Shatys | Purebred |
| UnkHiram | The basic rule of thumb is when deciding what to add and what not to add |
| UnkHiram | is use common sense |
| UnkHiram | Will this UNPROVEN fact upset Grandma |
| UnkHiram | If they are Proven facts, you have to use a little judgment and compassion |
| UnkHiram | I am not suggesting hiding things |
| UnkHiram | but I am suggesting not add material that will only hurt folks |
| UnkHiram | But by all means, keep the info, document it and pass it on to the next generation of researchers |
| rikki | Hiya stearman...welcome |
| stearman | hi |
| stearman | i'm new so i'm just going to listen if you don't mind |
| UnkHiram | Any other questions? Kim did I ever answer yours? |
| rikki | rikki offers some of her popcorn to stearman....... |
| genealogyADM | Yes, you answered mine |
| genealogyADM | :-) |
| UnkHiram | Stearman, Thats fine, just sit back and relax, the popcorn is free |
| rikki | . *munch* *munch* |
| rikki | BECCA!!!! |
| rikki | Hiya :) |
| genealogyADM | I have a question about what to include or Not include about living relatives |
| BeccaRose | hey Rikki |
| UnkHiram | Fire away |
| Shatys | Hi Becca |
| BeccaRose | hi all y'all |
| genealogyADM | There was a big debate going on in my forum over it a few weeks back |
| UnkHiram | Hi Miss Becca |
| BeccaRose | hello there |
| genealogyADM | Hi Becca :) |
| UnkHiram | oh I love controversial subjects LOL |
| BeccaRose | sorry I'm late.....but go on and I'll catch up I'm sure |
| genealogyADM | There is a gentleman who is producing a family history book and he is including info on other living relatives |
| genealogyADM | and doesn't feel he should have to ask permission |
| UnkHiram | Kim, My rule of thumb is simple, I will not include any info on folks under the age of 18 except who their parents were |
| genealogyADM | He was able to obtain it through vital records (from states which were more lenient, I guess) |
| rikki | Ohhhh.....I read that forum.....he was quite adamant about it too. |
| UnkHiram | As for the Living relatives over 18, I ask permission, if they say NO, I don't include any info except their name |
| genealogyADM | Yes, he is usually a good productive member in the forum |
| UnkHiram | their spouses name and the kids |
| genealogyADM | until this subject comes up |
| rikki | He was borderline abusive about it. |
| genealogyADM | Yes he was :( |
| BeccaRose | I think I read that one too |
| UnkHiram | He has the LEGAL right to include anything that is in public records BUT |
| rikki | It was great reading though. :) |
| genealogyADM | His view is that it is a matter of public record |
| BeccaRose | yeah but there's an ethics thing if you ask me |
| UnkHiram | you have a MORAL responsibility to ask for permission from living people |
| genealogyADM | He said he wants his work to be a serious work of genealogy |
| Shatys | A prime example of how to hurt the living---a friend of mine found out she was adopted by reading a cousins family history book |
| BeccaRose | ouch |
| UnkHiram | Kim, Serious means he has documents, proof of lines, it does not mean he includes pertinent data |
| genealogyADM | and that it won't be if he leaves information out to appease someone's feelings |
| UnkHiram | on living people |
| rikki | Kim, you should tell him it might be serious...but it won't be respectable. |
| BeccaRose | that's exactly what I wouldn't want to be guilty of |
| genealogyADM | Exactly what I am talking about Sharon |
| genealogyADM | Things like that shouldn't happen in my opinion |
| UnkHiram | Lets be honest |
| UnkHiram | it is the year 2001 |
| UnkHiram | If you include data about living folks |
| UnkHiram | People can use it for less than good reasons |
| rikki | And if people don't respect your work then are they going to ultimately take it seriously? |
| BeccaRose | very well said Rikki |
| genealogyADM | He has family members upset because he lists things like grandparents marriage dates and parent's birth dates |
| genealogyADM | And even if those people are dead...; |
| genealogyADM | the children who are still living don't want the world to know that their parent's were born out of wedlock |
| UnkHiram | Kim, Personally, I would ask permission of folks |
| genealogyADM | wedlock |
| genealogyADM | He says he has thousands of descendants and won't be bothered |
| UnkHiram | I send a letter out to everyone in my database alive, asking permission to print facts |
| genealogyADM | I told him pretty much what you were saying and he jumped down my throat |
| UnkHiram | If they object, I don't include dates |
| BeccaRose | I think he'd be better off if he protected the info publicly and listed his sources.........more of a compromise |
| genealogyADM | Just wanted to make sure I wasn't off base |
| BeccaRose | shows he did the research and has the knowledge but also shows respect for the living |
| rikki | Thank you Becca. :) I have been giving a thought to trying to learn to do genealogy professionally. And this guy made me realize how important it was to know the lines that can and can't be crossed. |
| UnkHiram | Kim, you got it right, but sometimes folks don't wanna listen |
| BeccaRose | you're not off base in my opinion |
| genealogyADM | Thanks - just making sure |
| UnkHiram | I Know I would strongly object to anyone listing my kids birth dates |
| genealogyADM | It's hard when people ask for my "professional" opinion |
| rikki | Kim, I thought you did a great job handling that guy. |
| genealogyADM | sometimes I have a hard time sorting it out from my personal one |
| UnkHiram | Of course I should point out I am not a Professional |
| UnkHiram | I am just a redneck with a big mouth |
| UnkHiram | (GRIN) |
| rikki | Kim...and that's a sign of a PRO |
| genealogyADM | LOL! |
| BeccaRose | y'know he's probably more protective of his own CC# and SS# than he is of other people's LIVES.....very scary |
| Shatys | LOL |
| BeccaRose | lol |
| rikki | Becca....he went over that point too... |
| UnkHiram | As far as SS#, I don't ever under any circumstance include them |
| BeccaRose | oh yeah? |
| UnkHiram | I do keep them in my records, But there is NO reason to include them in a report |
| rikki | It really is a very interesting thread....you should read it. I almost fired off my big mouth before I got to the end and I am glad I waited to read them all. |
| genealogyADM | rikki - if you are interested in being a professional, then I would suggest you consider the "American Genealogy: A Basic Course" offered by mail through the National Genealogical Society |
| BeccaRose | I know I started it but haven't finished it yet |
| genealogyADM | I also have a section about becoming certified on my site |
| rikki | Kim, I don't think I am ready to start at that level yet. I have a lot to learn first don't you think? |
| UnkHiram | Kim, I will be honest, I am fairly new to your forum, so I have not gone back and read all the stuff yet |
| BeccaRose | oh sure Kim.....give us MORE to find on your site......................lol |
| UnkHiram | But I do gotta say I like your forum |
| genealogyADM | LOL! |
| genealogyADM | Thanks - it's fun |
| genealogyADM | It's about more than just surnames and queries |
| UnkHiram | Well Becca if you get bored on hers (Free Plug) you can try mine |
| genealogyADM | We all have fun too |
| BeccaRose | I'm haunting it enough as it is......there's not enough hours in the day to find all you have |
| UnkHiram | www.stategensites.com |
| rikki | Becca.....you ain't seen nothin yet.....I still have homework on her page that is going to take me a year to get though.....LOL |
| genealogyADM | LOL BH! |
| genealogyADM | Rikki - once you get through my class you will be ready to start that one from the NGS |
| BeccaRose | lol....ok Unk thanks......not expecting to get bored but I'm an addict! |
| rikki | Kim, that's what I figured I would do :) |
| UnkHiram | Seriously, I would like y'all all to try SGS, there are six columnists on it, and unlike me some of them |
| Shatys | Becca, (free plug for Unk) www.stategensites.com is a very good site also |
| BeccaRose | very cool Rikki |
| UnkHiram | actually know what they are talking about |
| rikki | I have a question that is off topic but it's got me all screwed up on my genealogy search. |
| BeccaRose | lol Unk.....I'm looking forward to it....I'm fluent in Redneck myself |
| genealogyADM | BH - I love your columns |
| genealogyADM | Very down to earth |
| UnkHiram | Hinding face in shame, I tried to recruit Kim awhile back before I knew she ran this forum (GRIN) |
| Shatys | and always leave you smiling |
| BeccaRose | go for it Rikki |
| UnkHiram | rikki, fire away if I can't help, I am sure kim can |
| BeccaRose | I'll check it out for sure tonight' |
| rikki | Ya'll prolly don't remember that I found my ggrandfather buried at a cemetery near me....his son (or so I thought) is buried there too....Harold bought all the plots and he has mother and father buried with him. |
| rikki | I got a copy of that Harold's SS app yesterday.... |
| UnkHiram | Wrong Harold right? |
| rikki | and his listed mother and father isn't who he is buried with. |
| BeccaRose | rut roh |
| rikki | Well...I don't know. |
| genealogyADM | Give us all the details again |
| rikki | he is listed as living in Madison County |
| UnkHiram | Riki, FIRST are you sure you have the right SSN app? |
| rikki | Unk....I think so.....but not positive obviously because of the descrepancy....but let me tell you what I do know. |
| UnkHiram | Ok |
| rikki | Harold bought 5 plots. He is listed as Harry on the tombstone...but the cemetery has him listed as Harold. His father Charles and his mother Ida...My 2 g grandparents are buried with him |
| genealogyADM | How do you know they are his mother and father |
| genealogyADM | in the cemetery? |
| rikki | He was moved to this cemetery from somewhere else but he lived on Genesee St Lakeport |
| genealogyADM | Do the tombstones indicate that? |
| rikki | Cause the stones say mother and father...and they are Charles and Ida that are there. |
| genealogyADM | Or the cemetery records for the plots he purchased? |
| rikki | Lakeport is in Madison County..... |
| Shatys | Are you sure Harry and Harold are one and the same? |
| UnkHiram | Ok, Rikki, at first glance I would suggest you have the wrong SSN app, possible a cousin |
| rikki | His SS app says he was living on Genesee St in Madison County |
| UnkHiram | I would double check the SSN roles to see if there were two Harold INSERT SURNAME |
| rikki | Sharon....according to the cemetery records...yes. |
| UnkHiram | listed |
| genealogyADM | Rikki - how do you know he lived on Genesee Street |
| rikki | Unk...yes, there are two Harolds...but the other one was 5 yars old. |
| genealogyADM | Just from the SS app? |
| genealogyADM | Or also from somewhere else? |
| rikki | Kim...no. |
| UnkHiram | Then I would check the the census for that area and see if I could find another Harold or Harry |
| genealogyADM | Do the dates match? |
| rikki | Kim...from his obit and from a living cousin |
| rikki | Yes, the dates match |
| rikki | I'm soooo confussseeddd....LOL |
| Shatys | just because Ida and Charles' headstones say mother and father doesn't mean Harold put it there |
| BeccaRose | other than from the headstones saying "mother" and "father" do you have anything else saying these two are HIS mother and father? |
| rikki | No...Harold didn't put it there...Harold died before Charles and Ida did. |
| BeccaRose | lol.....gmta Shatys |
| Shatys | LOL |
| genealogyADM | What does the SS app say? |
| rikki | Well....Why would there be a large PROSSER stone with all those names engraved on them if they didn't belong? And another Son and a daughter known to Charled and Ida paid for perpetual care of the plot. |
| BeccaRose | I know that my grandparents bought plots for themselves and my mom and her brother....that was the intent.....but both my uncle and mom "gave up" their spots to other relatives who needed them so that could be something similar in your case |
| UnkHiram | Rikki, Its possible they gave the spot to a relative that could not afford a plot of his own |
| genealogyADM | Good point Becca |
| genealogyADM | LOL! |
| BeccaRose | lol....I'm gonna ne quiet now...lol |
| UnkHiram | Becca, LOL, I expect you to write my column next week |
| BeccaRose | LOL |
| rikki | Well.....Harold bought all the plots.....and the records say he is buried there.... |
| Shatys | maybe he doesn't have a headstone |
| BeccaRose | do you have the records from the cemetery on Charles and Ida? |
| rikki | Yes |
| UnkHiram | Well Folks, I hate to leave, BUT |
| rikki | Unk....Thanks for coming.. |
| UnkHiram | I gotta read meters in Ft Worth tomorrow so |
| UnkHiram | Adios and Keep Smiling |
| genealogyADM | ROFLOL!!! |
| rikki | I miss Texas |
| BeccaRose | glad to meet you Unk....I'll check that site for sure |
| genealogyADM | Thanks so much for coming :) |
| Shatys | Thanks for the great info Unk |
| genealogyADM | It was a fun chat |
| Shatys | CLAP CLAP CLAP |
| genealogyADM | I also made a transcript |
| UnkHiram | I wanna thank y'all for a good chat, and for the invite |
| genealogyADM | And will link to it in my next newsletter so that everyone can see what they missed |
| UnkHiram | Anytime y'all want, I will be more than happy to come again |
| BeccaRose | lol Rikki |
| UnkHiram | of course I will drop by a lot in my civilian guise (GRIN) |
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